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Pence avoided confusion and the other 3 takeaways from the Jan. 6 hearing


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Former Vice President Mike Pence speaks on the phone from his safe haven during the riots during a hearing of the House Select Committee investigating the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capital.

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Former Vice President Mike Pence speaks on the phone from his safe haven during the riots during a hearing of the House Select Committee investigating the January 6, 2021 attack on the Capital.

Susan Walsh / AP

That moment was dramatic.

The rioters had enforced the law in the U.S. Capitol. Just 40 feet away from the Vice President of the United States and his team – and hearing the sound of rioters – the Secret Service was rushing the group, in and out of the car.

But Vice President Mike Pence refused.

His decision to end the government, with Joe Biden as president and Kamala Harris as vice president, was a vote of no-confidence in the people against whom Pence stood.

And he did so in the face of unprecedented pressure from President Trump. Despite the rebels violating the capital, Trump sent tweets tightening pressure on Pence.

“Pence did not have the courage to do what he was supposed to do,” Trump tweeted, adding that the rioters had violated the capital.

It was a tweet from a White House aide, described in the taped testimony, as “pouring gasoline on the fire.” The assistant was advising him to reverse, sending something to reduce the violence. Instead, Trump grew.

This was not a scene from a Hollywood movie.

Here are four tips on what we learned during the hearing:

1. If Pence had not given in to pressure, the country would have been plunged into chaos.

Pence has faced tremendous pressure to do something he has no constitutional right to do – to reject voters’ votes for the presidency or to throw it back to the states.

The 12th Amendment and the Electoral Counts Act give the vice president a formal role for the presidency.

This process does not give him the power to overturn the election results.

If Pence had faced the pressure, witnesses said Thursday, American democracy would have been significantly weakened.

Pence’s lawyer, Greg Jacob, said there would be short-term and long-term consequences – with lawsuits and street unrest setting the standard for political chaos and establishing a situation where a person has the right to determine the outcome. An election.

Pence was determined to avoid it – despite the real threats he had to face.

Retired Judge J. Michael Lutig, who advised Pence as vice president on Jan. 6, told the panel that because of the constant rhetoric of Trump, his allies and his supporters, they “represent a clear and current threat to democracy.”

Still, it was a little weird to tell a story without these two main characters, Trump And Pence.

Neil Katyal, a former acting solicitor general in the Obama administration, told MSNBC after the hearing that “on January 6, he clearly did the right thing.” “Excellent. But he can’t sit on the sidelines at this hearing and tell the American people … he can’t tell the Department of Justice what happened in his words, the idea seems unforgivable to me. So it’s great to kill a lion. But I want to know, and I want to hear from him what happened in his own words. “

2. Pressure came from above.

Trump put pressure on Pence, both publicly and privately. In addition to the January 6, 2:24 p.m. tweet, Trump mentioned Pence 11 times in his January 6 speech before the rebellion.

Trump tweeted several times targeting Trump in the days leading up to January 6, Pence lied in a statement agreeing with him about the rights of the vice president, and several witnesses, including Trump’s daughter Ivanka, testified about the “hot” phone call. January 6 between Trump and Pence.

Trump was trying to get Pence to take what he wanted. Witnesses described Trump’s use of the word “wimp,” saying that Pence did not have the “courage” to reverse the election, and that Trump used the word “p.”

The committee worked hard to find out how much Trump’s words echoed through the crowd of supporters who attacked the Capitol.

“If Pence gets knocked down, we’re going to drag him down the ************ street,” a rioter is heard saying in the video. “You politicians are going to be dragged down the street.”

The committee also released a cold coat, noting that Proud Boys’ informant told the FBI that Proud Boys would have “killed Mike Pence if given the chance.”

3. The pressure on Pence continued even after the riots.

Not only did Trump send that tweet, but Pence’s attorney, Jacob, testified that attorney John Eastman, who had devised the plan and persuaded Trump to do so, requested that Jacob be sent back to the states by delaying Pence’s certification.

“It’s rubber room stuff,” Pence replied when Jacob showed him the email.

Earlier in the day, Jacob referred to the mob attacking the Capitol and told Eastman that “we are in this situation because of you.”

Eastman responded to the siege by saying he did not do what Pence and Trump were asking for.

4. The committee began proposing possible criminal liability for Eastman – and possibly Trump.

There is ample evidence that Eastman believed that Pence did not have the authority to do what he was told to do.

Jacobs testified that Eastman admitted on Jan. 5 that he did not want the Democratic vice president to do the same – and did not believe he or Pence could legally do so.

Trump White House attorney Eric Hershman testified that when he told Eastman that implementing his memo would lead to riots, Eastman replied, “There has been violence in the history of our country to protect our republic.”

After the riots, Eastman asked Rudy Giuliani to be added to the amnesty list. He was not. When he was brought before the committee on January 6, Eastman defended the fifth side at least 100 times.

According to Jacob, Eastman informed Jacob that he understood that he and Trump were telling Pence to do something he really did not have the right to. Jacobs asked if Eastman had told Trump this, and Eastman replied that, yes, he did, but “once he [Trump] He has something in his head, it’s hard to get out. “

Earlier this year, a federal judge, in a non-binding motion before and after Jan. 6, said Trump and Eastman were “more likely” to conspire and “corruptly try to disrupt Congress.”

Dozens have already been convicted of obstructing Congress and obstructing official functions. The question now is what will happen next, and how real the possibility that prosecutors in the Justice Department will actually go after Trump.

But so far there has been a lack of cooperation between the committee and the justice department. Department Complained in the letter The committee has not sent the required transcripts. “The capacity of the department to investigate and prosecute those involved in criminal activity in connection with the January 6 attack on the Capital is critical,” it said.

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